Anti-System Of A Down Article

This article shows the true nature of this bands hidden nationalistic agenda and how well they create hate campaigns against the Turkish government including yelling out racist statements and protesting statements like "**** the Turkish government!" at their concerts.

Many people know System of a Down as a band that supposedly is politically motivated and a band that raises awareness on issues that trouble society.

System of a Down is a very religious band in which all of its members are Armenian Orthodox Christian. They have been raised in a specific kind of Armenian community that preaches hatred against Turks and Muslims. One of their recent video and song called "Holy Mountain" is about the Armenian genocide thesis, which is a hot topic of debate not only among the world but among Armenians as well. The difference between normal Armenian activists who promote the Armenian genocide awareness, is that Holy Mountain doesn't simply target historical figures that are usually pointed at to blame for the supposed genocide, but also to Turkey's national heroes. Some Armenians even find this sort of attitude damaging to the credibility of the Armenian cause for recognition of the genocide.

However, only long-time fans and people who actually know about the issues--- System of A Down talks about---know the true motivation and agenda that System of A Down tries its best to hide from the mainstream media. They are in fact, racists (since they believe Armenians are superior than other ethnicities much like racists today)--however, since they compare themselves to Jewish Holocaust victims, by constantly talking about how their people suffered in World War I (like as if only Armenians suffered in WWI) at the hands of the "evil Turks" (even though the Ottoman government ordered many times the prevention of massacres and discouraged attacks on Armenians, locals sometimes did not listen).

They feel no remorse for their hatred and prejudice. In fact, people show sympathy to Armenians when they start telling stories of the suffering of their people and when they constantly compare themselves to Holocaust survivors and victims (some even claim they have psychological trauma of their grandparents?).

It is like a person in court complaining of the crime of rape that a defendant supposedly committed, even though the defendant wasn't even in that city that day, but as the complainer continues to tell dreadful and gruesome details and then cries at the end, the jury becomes convinced that the defendant must have done something wrong.

In their documentary created by Armenian propagandists called "Screamers", the band members are interviewed and are portrayed as entertainers who also raise awareness on many genocides of the world. However, while they do allude to other genocides the main purpose of the film is to convince the world that the Armenian genocide theory is as indisputable as real genocides like the Holocaust. They make it seem like they are after a noble cause, while at the same time promoting hatred against the current Turkish government. They are portrayed like as if they are victims of the genocide themselves by claiming that their grandparents were all Armenian genocide survivors. Yet a deeper look into their history reveals that we can only take their word for it.

Armenian propagandists and propaganda websites like theforgotten.org have worked together with System of a Down to create a campaign of hate against the Turkish government and anyone else who refuses to acknowledge the Armenian genocide theory as being a "fact". They label anyone who disagrees with their viewpoint as "denialists" and they avoid any opportunity to attempt to prove their genocide, and instead divert the subject to horror stories about the "evil Turks". Just like the Nazis who oppressed people of different views, the Armenian propagandists aim to alienate the Turks as an evil race that should be carried off by trains for rejecting an accusation that has no proof. They compare their genocide theory which is a complex history of rebellion and independence to completely unrelated real genocides like the Holocaust and Darfur which are all unique in order to equate their genocide to it, and to reposition it as a "common knowledge" rather than a historical inaccuracy as many Western historians who are expert in Ottoman and Armenian history find it.

Many Turks were fans of System of a Down until they began the usual propaganda after they reached fame and fortune, thanks to Armenian national committees who bribed radio stations and companies to promote SOAD music. Now they lost millions of Turkish fans who enjoy the music of their Armenian brethren.

How obsessed should one be to alienate a whole ethnicity of their fans to be "perpetrators of genocide" when they forget about the hundreds of thousands of Turks the Armenian rebels killed during the 1880s--1918 many of which began before Armenians were even killed. These events are now referred to as the Armenian nationalist movement. If you think Armenians suffer every time someone does not accept their view that it was genocide, think about how much a Turk suffers every time someone accepts the genocide as "undeniable" and accepts Armenians as poor innocent victims while your relatives suffered greatly under Armenian rebel armies. Even Hrant Dink (Armenian newspaper editor who lived in Turkey who was murdered) asked the Armenian public to think in the shoes of Turks, and to understand that only Turks and Armenians can fix their relationship and that they shouldn't force politicians to get involved.

It is still alive today, spreading its tentacles of propaganda even infecting history books of other countries using political pressure and briberies. Think about it, if you ever read a history book that mentions the genocide, that's all it seems to do, simply briefly mention it, because the author has no knowledge of the subject and avoid details except the exaggerated "1.5 million dead Armenians" statement. System of a Down supports this kind of hatred towards Turks. Armenians should use historians to spread their message not politicians, musicians, and entertainers. The problem is no historians or academics support them on the issue except the very few who they bribed and the rest who want name recognition and use the Armenian community as a sling-shot to reach fame.

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This article is a joke

"Many Turks were fans of System of a Down until they began the usual propaganda after they reached fame and fortune, thanks to Armenian national committees who bribed radio stations and companies to promote SOAD music."

Uhh...? And your source for that is? If that's the case why aren't there a million popular Jewish bands today, as they certainly have way more bribing ability and power in America.

"One of their recent video and song called "Holy Mountain" is about the Armenian genocide theory, which is a hot topic of debate not only among the world but among Armenians as well."

There is no music video for this song. What has been circulated in Turkey as the SoaD video for this song is a pathetically ameteur fan creation (which is listed as a fan creation all along). It's just that the viewers in Turkey where it was circulated are not sophisticated enough to realize an actual system of a down music video wouldn't be made up of a slideshow of pictures to the music.
There is no debate on genocide or not amongst Armenians. Also this song never even uses the word genocide, it refers to the events and that death occured but it isn't a historical treatise as you lay it out to be.

For me its just ridiclous to link popular music with tragedic events like this. Drunken people are dancing to sound of "genocide" in discotheques.

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Armenians are quite nationalist about spreading their message of "The Turks being evil" or "committing genocide". This is why the ANCA and ARF found that using entertainment to spread their message of hate would work 10x better than using standard propaganda they used for decades. And the result is, there are many system of a down fans, who know of the "Armenian genocide" and use SOAD as their source of information for this. Even in their video screamers, fans talk about it like as if they read a book on it or something.

Why would Jews need to use propaganda? The Holocaust can defend itself and is proven. The Armenian genocide theory, is simply propaganda and fails to prove the intent of the Ottomans or prove any motive for the Turks to kill a Christian minority when they have not done so for 700 years. Why pick their lowest peak of their power to kill off Armenians? It's simply silly to think the Armenian genocide is real. It's looking at the world black-and-white, instead of seeing the many shades of gray that exist in Armenian-Turkish history.

My sources for this information are expressed by Armenians themselves. Otherwise if you talk to many Americans, they either hate system of a down or they love it. It's nu-metal (they don't have enough guitar skills to be actual metal; but that's just my personal opinion) and it's a dying breed of music.

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There is no music video for this song.

You're right, the circulated video on Youtube was made by TheForgotten.org . It isn't an official SOAD video, but it does adequately express the lyrics. In fact, SOAD supports TheForgotten.org's interpretation of the lyrics.

This is from an Armenian, who is a fan of SOAD, this is how he interprets and how thousands interpret the song as:
BigSOADfan wrote:

Ok, so, I looked it up, and this is pretty much what it's about.

Can you feel their haunting presence? (x2)
-This is about the haunting presence of the Armenian Genocide that happened in World War 1

Liar! Killer! Demon!
-This is about the leaders of the Ottoman Empire telling the Armenians that they will be given their freedom and them lying about it and killing them instead.

Back to the river Aras
-The river Aras is the river that seperates the two countries.

Freedom, Freedom, Free, Free
-This is about the Armenians constantly being promised freedom but end up marching in the desert and in concentration camps.

Can you hear the Holy mountains?
-Kind of self explanitory. The mountains are where most of the Armenians hid from the Turks.

Someone's mouth said paint them all red.
-Kind of a powerful line and metaphor to convey that someone wanted all of them dead.

They have all returned, resting on the mountainside.
-This is about them coming back after the genocide was over.

We have learned that you have no honor; murderer; sodomizer!
-This last part is about everyone learning that the Turks had no honor, killed, raped, and sodomized the Armenians because of the religious views.
The Turks made them march for miles and miles and then raped, and killed everyone that didn't have time to escape.

Very, very powerful and deep song. One of my favorites.

Here's another off of an Armenian forum:
MosJan wrote:

“Our propaganda is not just symbolic. If America doesn’t want to recognize the Armenian Genocide, how can Turkey recognize it?” said John Dolmayan of the group. The video clip for "Holy Mountains" is rather impressive.

As you can see, it is not just the video. And definitely the video does express the true meaning of the song. So I'm not sure "anonymous" what you're trying to pull by claiming I misinterpret the song when I clearly have not.

Here's another from the same Hye (Armenian) forum:
Emil wrote:

I have the .mp3 of Holy Mountains that was recorded live at Souls 2005 concert. It begins with "Masis and Ararat mountains do not belong to Turkey, those are Armenias holy mountains and this is a song we have for you." Right after he says "..do not belong to Turkey," you can hear a guy in the crowd say "That's ***ing right!"

Here's an excerpt from Armeniapedia.org:
ArmeniaPedia wrote:

The album’s emotional apex is reached with “Holy Mountains,” System’s latest monument to Armenian victims of Turkish atrocities. Fittingly, this is the most polished and synchronized track. “Holy Mountains” includes undulating, jangly guitar chords that eerily echo church bells. Tankian’s personal and heartfelt vocals further elevate the song’s poignant grief and deep contempt.

So as you can see, I'm not making this stuff up. There is quite a lot of proof and evidence that this song is about the Armenian Genocide and they blame the whole Turkish nation. If you see screamers, you'll see that the band members yell out "F*** the Turkish government" etc. It is hate-mongering, and they are simply a tool of the ARF and ANCA.

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There is no Genocide, Armenian wants pitty.

SOAD just another form of pushing this lie in a different level, they are using music as a propogenda tool which is quite smart because armenians know that genocide is not something that they can prove in international court so only way to get this lie stick is to play political, time to time being terrorists (asala) and using propogenda's.

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A tool of Propaganda

Yes, System of a Down is a tool of Armenian propaganda.

What better way to spread messages of hate than with music? This is what neo-nazi's are doing by using rock, punk, and metal music to promote white supremacy. And System of a Down promotes hatred of Turks and the Turkish government for a genocide that is yet to be proven.

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First off, I must admit

First off, I must admit SOAD has really a nice tune, I cannot resist listening to them at times. Their music kind of reminds me of my land, my culture as they use oriental tunes in their songs.(Hypnotize is a good example.)

On the other hand, it's obvious SOAD hates(or at least, doesn't like) Turks. Taking a look at Souls posters, or this image they had on their site, awhile ago is enough to see that.

But, what we should care for is, it's not only about music. I mean Armenians insert something about the so-called genocide in everything they are involved. As a reflection of the pains(?) they had, suffered from, in the past.

Sculpture, for example. Sako's this work shows what an Armenian thinks about Turks.

Armenians just won't stop spreading Turkish hatred, in every chance they get.

I really wonder what they'd do if Turkey ever recognized the so-called genocide. They'd lose the meaning of ther life and would have nothing to live for. Heh.

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Music can be addicting but

Music can be addicting but let us also be reminded that there are many other great musicians in the world who never get a chance to be heard on radio-airplay. If you're listening to system of a down, you probably are still very new to the vast music world. Eventually long-time listeners who's ears have become more mature and sharp, have usually settled in the end with classical music, which btw is the LARGEST growing music-genre in iTunes.

Many people usually as they get older exclusively listen to old metal, old rap, classical music, and sometimes techno/trance. Usually musics that have a deep melody.

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System of A Down, Nationalistic Agenda

I agree personally, I find System of a Down's music disgusting and distasteful. However I respect them as musicians, but the awful things they say about the Turkish government or their claims, are simply disrespectful, and shows their true colors and motives as propagandists who will use their fame to push a nationalistic and ethnic agenda.

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Denial is your form of propaganda.

Sadly, this is a common things. To say that there wasn't a Genocide because there is evidence of Hate towards the murderers. Of course there is going tobe extreme cases of hate being given to the Turks after this because they killed more than 70% of a population.

Disgusting how Turks can justify it by saying Turks died to. Turks casualties didn't account for 1% of the numbers that the Armenian Culture endured. You are only distracting the veiwers of your site with obvious facts supporting that people believe that it happened, and pointing out your OPINION. Yes, System of a down has lyrical content aimed to suggest an attack on the Armenian Race, because they are Armenian themselves and have obviously decided to fight for the cause of making it known.

Where is the proof of the Turkish stress? Of the Turkish abuse? Did the second class citizen Armenians have more power to make evidence than the grand turks?

Your entire veiw of this atrocity in human behavior leaves me sicken,a nd riddled by how anyone can suggest that the Armenian Genocide never happened. Why don't you tell them about the 6 Armenian soldiers that were brutaly and publically hung as an example of what would happen to a resistance? Or the 250 Armenian Intellectuals who were arrested and then killed? Or the many men that were "drafted" and massacred by Turks? Or even the left Children, Women, and Elderly who were focred to walk through a scorching hot desert, only to be raped, battered, starved, and eventually shot?

Nori & Halil's command for a 3 day massacre that left 30,000 dead in Baku?

This website is nothing but a cruel reminder of the disgusting denial Turkey has set.

System of a down is merely a fraction of you worried, and even now as you disgrace yourself by being ignorant to the truth of a Genocide you didn't see with your own eyes.

Students in many countries are reading about the travesty of the Ottoman Empire, and writing reports on the Genocide, and perhaps this website will be that student's proof of the pointless denial of the horrors of history.

Perhaps you will not be judged by God as cruely as Turks judged Armenains.

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Wow

Aside from the occasional typo, and mentioning of belief, this guy has some good points...

I for one believe it happened, I'm sure of it. Not because of lyrical content, not because of theforgotten.org, but because of the large difference between Turkish and Armenian deaths.

There is no way in hell that a mere famine could have done that much damage alone. Especially since it only happened to Armenians and not the Turks.

The death count from both sides has a HUGE difference. Look it up.

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In response to the poster

In response to the poster who said
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Sadly, this is a common things. To say that there wasn't a Genocide because there is evidence of Hate towards the murderers.

Regardless of whether you believe in the Armenian Genocide or not, it doesn't mean you should support such immature and racist behavior that System of a Down conducts, by using their fame to convince others to believe in their view point. How will members of System of a Down sleep at night, if a SOAD fan stabs a Turkish woman 5-6 times because of the hate that SOAD filled him/her with.

This is the WORST kind of propaganda in the planet, using music to promote hatred, it is no different than neo-nazi music artists that promote hatred against Jews, it's simply wrong, do you disagree?

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Disgusting how Turks can justify it by saying Turks died to

I don't know about you, but when I read the article, I did not find anywhere that said that Armenian deaths were justified. It mentions that Turks too died, yes, but never did it say that murdering Armenians was acceptable. However, just as you as an Armenian, feel upset that your relatives were attacked, Turks have the very same feelings about Armenian rebels attacking their relatives, after all, they are humans, unless you disagree with that too.

In fact, I find this article to be filled with positive information and condemns racism and hatred... Have you even read it?
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Now they lost millions of Turkish fans who enjoy the music of their Armenian brethren.

Doesn't seem like the article writer feels any hatred towards Armenians, only to musicians who use their music as a tool to encourage hatred. It's worse than musicians who use hate to sell CDs.

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Why don't you tell them about the 6 Armenian soldiers that were brutaly and publically hung as an example of what would happen to a resistance? Or the 250 Armenian Intellectuals who were arrested and then killed? Or the many men that were "drafted" and massacred by Turks? Or even the left Children, Women, and Elderly who were focred to walk through a scorching hot desert, only to be raped, battered, starved, and eventually shot?

There are just as many stories of Turks being slaughtered in public, hanged, decapitated, mutilated, and raped by Armenian rebels who came in strong numbers together with the Russian invasion and the French invasion.

Armenians who were drafted usually deserted the Ottoman army in World War I and took as many weapons and ammunition as they could to aid the rebellions.

If it wasn't for the Armenian rebellions, there wouldn't have been a relocation decree (the government had to stop the violence amongst Armenian locals and Muslim locals; and killing them or locking them up would ensure that the European powers would intervene including its Christian ally Germany), and those Armenian civilians wouldn't have had to walk, and in places where there was trains, like Cilicia, they didn't have to walk, and usually they had horses, donkeys, mules, or caravans.

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This website is nothing but a cruel reminder of the disgusting denial Turkey has set.

This is exactly what the article talks about, the hate and labeling of Turks and Turkey because of differing points of views. Why can't you accept that Turks have a different point of view? Do you fear that if people see the Turk's opinions as an opinion rather than "propaganda" or "denialism" that the truth will come out?

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Students in many countries are reading about the travesty of the Ottoman Empire, and writing reports on the Genocide, and perhaps this website will be that student's proof of the pointless denial of the horrors of history.

The horrors of history and especially world war I were felt greatly by Turks, Armenians, and many other ethnicities. Stop assuming that Armenians are extra special just because they are Christian.

People use to write reports about how savage the Native Indians were, but historians changed that misconception, this will change as well, because there needs to be proof before a conclusion is reached, Armenians however, want to skip the proving step and go right into the conclusion part.

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Re: Wow

I for one believe it happened, I'm sure of it. Not because of lyrical content, not because of theforgotten.org, but because of the large difference between Turkish and Armenian deaths.

The large difference is also a form of propaganda. Since many Armenian historians have written books about the tragedy of the Armenians including unverifiable information about death tolls, people on the web and other places have simply echoed it since they are not going to be able to go and verify each source or reference.

The real death toll is 523,000 OF Turkish civilians who died TO Armenian rebels, volunteer units, and gangs. While the Armenian death toll is thought to be somewhere between 600,000-800,000 and this INCLUDES disease, hunger, lack of medical supplies, and exhaustion from travel.

I found this in the gallery:

It shows several sources, that talk about the population in 1915 or close to it. The numbers barely reach 1.5 million, so how can 1.5 million Armenians die? Even if 1,000,000 of them died, how could their world population be 9 million today, that's like rabbits!

The reason for the high death toll, is disease, hunger, lack of medical supplies, and exhaustion from travel. Though there have been many incidents of massacres, if you count up the rumored death tolls of these massacres, even that doesn't come close to 800,000.

Remember, death tolls are hard to tell, because of so many factors. Researchers verify with multiple sources before accepting one death toll, with the Armenian case, since so many Armenian sources say 1.5 million etc, they think it is verified. But do you really think they counted each body that died by weapon?