System Of A Down may represent Armenia in Eurovision 2009, if ...

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Adventures of Shan Karniyarikyan

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Jun 25, 2008
it is not difficult to guess how. The condition attached to the offer is :
if the lyrics of his song mention the Armenian Genocide
and if you happen to think that it would not happen in Eurovision, I am afraid it has happened before
Welcome to the new era or shall we say more agitation

From: Shan
Jun 25, 2008
Where do you come up with such a crazy conspiracy theory?
I can't decide if denialists have delusions of persecution or delusions of grandure.

To: Shan
Gee, is that how you thank me after I have given you a bit of news you haven't heard or you just want to act like a nuisance!
Let's say, if what I say is I have made up, I'll apologise,
if not you'll apologise for being a barking dog
deal?

To: Shan
Why do you discriminate against us because we choose to take a side in a debate? Calling us "denialists" will not change the fact that Armenians were not exterminated and no attempt was made to exterminate them.

Instead of blaming the real enemy of Armenia (Russia, France, England, Hunchaks and the Armenian Revolutionary Federation) who provoked the relocation laws, you seem to want to blame 3 incompetent Ottoman generals.

It was the ARF and Hunchaks who created the attacks which your own Armenian historians confess way before the relocations. Several times, the rebels were forgiven, due to European pressure.

Of the 428,000 that were relocated (though it may be an undercount), 381,000 Armenians survived (also an undercount). Migration clouds the statistics as many left to Europe/America.

We don't call you names like "genocide fiction writer" or something, so why do you call us "denialist"? Is it because you are afraid we might be right? So instead of listening to our arguments and evidence, you block it out and label us so people won't take us seriously.

I think you have delusions, delusions fed to you over decades by your friends, family members... but guess what? Armenians who were there blame the local inhabitants for Armenian deaths (even Hilmar Kaiser), it is the ARF and other Armenian political organizations that blame the Turkish government to demand land and reparations.

You should demand land and reparations from Russia and Britain. They were the ones who decided how much land Armenia should receive. Britain wanted to give a lot of land to Armenia, but knew that would piss off Russia, so they didn't. Russia was against Armenian independence, they simply fed those lies so that they can have a very easy way to conquer Eastern Anatolia and open the way to Istanbul.

From: Shan
As Hrant Dink said... "There are Turks who don't admit that their ancestors committed genocide. If you look at it though, they seem to be nice people… So why don't they admit it? Because they think that genocide is a bad thing which they would never want to commit, and because they can't believe their ancestors would do such a thing either."

To all: you all seem to be nice people. And genocide is a bad thing and I am almost 100% that yourselves wouldn't want to commit that type of act, and I can see how you don't believe your ancestors did such a thing. It's nothing personal, no one is blaming you for killing ANYONE. But it is your denial that perpetuates the 'cycle of genocide.'

To: Shan
I cannot see the relation of your post to this topic, Shan.
are you sidestepping your nuisance attack on my topic
or was that an apology?
please explain yourself

From: Shan
Tansu, as clearly indicated by the header of my last post, what I wrote was a response to somebody else's completely irrelevant statement. So if you are going to denounce anyone for your inability to see the relation of a post to a topic, somebody else is your man.

To: Shan
You have a missing response for me, Shan:

I wrote
"it is not difficult to guess how. The condition attached to the offer is :
if the lyrics of his song mention the Armenian Genocide
and if you happen to think that it would not happen in Eurovision, I am afraid it has happened before
Welcome to the new era or shall we say more agitation"

You replied
"Where do you come up with such a crazy conspiracy theory?
I can't decide if denialists have delusions of persecution or delusions of grandure."

I responded to (which meant to be to you)
Gee, is that how you thank me after I have given you a bit of news you haven't heard or you just want to act like a nuisance!
Let's say, if what I say is I have made up, I'll apologise,
if not you'll apologise for being a barking dog
deal?"

shall I assume that you wanted to evade that by just coming and pasting "As Hrant Dink said..." lines in few places because you are sorry for your earlier remarks to my topic in the first place? Care to explain that Shan?

To: Shan
Shan, you're not making sense anymore. How's Armenian rebellions not relevant? It may not be relevant for you, but for us and for third parties looking at the situation, the relocation orders fall under the category of self-defense.

And warning someone for making ad-hominem statements is never irrelevant. Contribution is a nice thing, but if you come here with all these cookie-cutter and derogatory statements people will respond to you.

To: Shan
Hrant Dink was NEVER a historian, he was a well-respect Turkish-Armenian journalist/editor. He has his opinions and I have mine.

The reality is, why would I admit genocide when no evidence was provided to prove it? I do admit there were massacres, and I certainly DO NOT deny deaths of Armenians at the hands of local Muslims.

The cycle that perpetuates genocide is not "denying genocide", it is "blaming a people".

Blaming Turks for genocide is the EXACT attitude that leads to genocide AND massacres.

Let me ask you something, do you agree with Dashnak leaders' actions Shan? Do you think Dashnaks were heroes? Do you agree with the actions of one of their leaders Ishkan of Van who killed an Armenian priest because of suspicions that he wasn't helping the Dashnaks enough?